Today, according to the Chapel Hill Herald, is the day.
An agenda for the UNC Board of Governors' monthly round of meetings includes a mid-day session of the full board Thursday with a closed-session report of the Committee on Personnel and Tenure, followed by an open report and a final item: "Election of a Chancellor."
The BOG typically spends Thursday in committee meetings, gathering in a limited full board session at 5 p.m. before adjourning until the regular meeting on Friday morning.
Details about candidates for chancellor have been carefully guarded since the UNC Chancellor Search committee was formed last September. Nelson Schwab, a UNC Trustee and chair of the search committee, has said repeatedly that only the final choice would be announced publicly.
The BOG must vote to approve the Search Committee's recommendation.
We should know something after 2:30 P.M. Lot's of rumors on the front runners, and especially their connections to UNC and North Carolina.
We shall see.
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This is fun. I like the
This is fun. I like the welcome occurring immeidately after the confirmation.
And I applaud the search committee's decision to conduct a confidential search and maintain the confidentiality of the non-selected applicants. . It was the best way to attract the top candidates and ultimately our University will benefit.
I just wish we had more notice of the event. I am sure there are people who cannot attend due to short notice, myself being one of them. :( I hope you had a short list--like our elected officials, etc--that you gave more of a head's up.
H. Holden Thorp
Details from NandO on Chancellor Thorp
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1065276.html
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Congrats, Chancellor Thorp!
I don't know much about him, but he looks like a great fit. I'm happy to see someone from within the University community get this position, this says a lot about the priorities of the administration.
I met him a few months ago.
Covering it live
Here's a little more
Here's a little more detailed account of the event than I could give via twitter.com :
I took the F-Bus to the former School Kids Records and walked to Gerard Hall where the proceedings were scheduled to occur. I arrived just as Fred Black was walking up and we sat together in the balcony area above (where about 1/2 the seats in Gerard Hall are), joined by Jonathan Howes. Just before the event began, Jack Evans walked in and sat with us.
There was quite a crowd at Gerard Hall. One face familiar to the local blogosphere was Prof. Paul Jones. Tony Waldrop and many others from South Building were there of course, as was Athletic Director Dick Baddour.
Word had slipped out about the selection of Holden Thorp and was published on the N&O website earlier this afternoon, and the room was abuzz about him.
Chancellor-Elect Holden Thorp entered the building about 3:30 just behind BOT Chairman Roger Perry. Thorp was immediately met with a standing ovation. Roger Perry took the podium and thanked Nelson Schwab for chairing the search committee (as well as the whole committee). Roger made a special point of recoginizing the contributions to UNC of Chancellor James Moeser, who received a thunderous standing ovation. Roger also acknowledged former Chancellors Aycock & Hardin who were in the crowd as well.
Roger gave a good introduction to Holden, recounting his academic carreer from his undergrad days at UNC to his graduate work at CalTech and his service at UNC. Roger also made note of the fact that the BOT voted on the first round of balloting 20 to 0 to select Thorp.
The Chancellor-elect then took the podium. He introduced his wife and family and joked that they had decided not to bring the dog. He gave an entertaining speech, thanking Erskine Bowles among many others. Thorp made a point of recognizing his former professors in the Chemistry Department at UNC as well as at CalTech. Thorp expressed his regret that neither his late-father nor the late UNC SBP Eve Carson could be present for this occasion, pointing out that Carson had been among those who had been on the selection committee.
He turned his attention to the road ahead by acknowledging the work that Carolina will be tackling in the future, saying "our to do list is nothing short of the greatest problems of our time" enumerating world hunger, war, disease and poverty among those problems. Thorp also spoke of UNC's commitment to be accessible to the people of North Carolina regardless of their income, stating his desire that even the poorest of North Carolinians should be able to grow up to help with the challenge of addressing the world's great problems and hoping that everyone who graduates from UNC will graduate with a love of knowledge.
Pardon my snark
Fred's black . . .
Come on, Ruby!
There were many staff, faculty and students there. I wasn't counting but many were women and minorities from all over UNC and our community in that crowd and you would know many of them.
Turn off your snark switch!
Come on, Fred
In the year 2008, UNC should bloody well have had a female chancellor by now (or a chancellor of color). Last time I checked, women represented more than half of the undergraduate student body. Is it crazy to hope that the Board of Trustees would make a gesture of respect toward the roughly 70% of the state that isn't straight white Christian males?
I don't expect this to change overnight, but I do expect to see at least an attempt at inclusion to make sure everyone on campus knows they have as much leadership potential as their peers. Given the selection of yet another white male chancellor, I thought they might have made a gesture toward diversity in today's ceremony.
Nothing against Dr. Thorp - in fact I hope he will take the lead in bringing a new culture of democracy and transparency to UNC's administration. This is a reflection of the culture of the BOT and general administration of UNC, not the new chancellor. From the student government races we can see that the students get it, this is yet another case where administrators should be following students instead of lecturing them.
I would disagree with this.
"In the year 2008, UNC should bloody well have had a female chancellor by now (or a chancellor of color)."
I would think that in the year 2008, UNC, of all places, shouldn't think at all about a person's gender, race, or religion when choosing a chancellor. I haven't paid much attention to the process, so my question becomes, who else were serious contenders?
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Not Wat I Was Talking About
I was referring to your characterization of the crowd. There was plenty of diversity in that crowd, as I said.
As for a chancellor, since we don't know who the three finalist were, we can only speculate. I think that a black UNC grad at MIT was a finalist, but as for the 20 that they interviewed, who knows how many were women.
I have a problem saying that a black or woman should get the job just because there has never been a black or woman. Sounds like the logic in the State Senate race just completed. I reject that approach.
I was listening to the
Everyone has a different point of view, thankfully
Perhaps the point was that the people Mark noticed and chose to identify were all white men. There were plenty of women and people of color there that I know he knows (me and Delores Bailey just to cover both those categories). I could see him, so I expect he saw me....Delores was downstairs, so maybe he missed her.
Mark, I promise I mean that with humor. I appreciated your attending and reporting on the event and didn't even notice who you had pointed out until it was pointed out.
I'm a pre-Title 9 girl who for the past 9 years has reflexively counted the number of men and women at University meetings. But just recently, I noticed I've stopped doing that because there are almost always more women. Lots more women. In my world at least, women are everywhere. To my total surprise, I've started wishing there were more men and that I wasn't the resident Jew (actually, that's changing too). Don't much care what color just as long as they are smart, fun to be with, honest, good communicators, etc etc etc.
We have a new Chancellor, it was a lovely event, lots of hugs and old friends greeting one another, Commencement is Sunday. The air is electric on campus. I hope everyone stops by over the next few days.
Linda C.
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One of the three finalists was (and probably still is) black.
MIT's chancellor Philip L. Clay.
(Incidentally, I appreciated Linda's comment about being the resident Jew! This is something I've come to notice too in my 10 years at this university. Just a couple of weeks ago an adminstrator with whom I was discussing a problem told me that the problem was "just something we were going to have to pray on," seemingly unaware of how, well, Christian that saying is.)
Please don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with that expression, and this fellow had every right to use it! I just took it as another subtle reminder of how pervasively Christian the university's administration is (and continues to be).
Something to pray on?
Eric,
I guess I don't understand what makes this expression so Christian? I guess I've always assumed that people of various faiths (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc) pray at various times. If I'm wrong about that please enlighten me so I don't go through the rest of my life ill-informed. Otherwise, I think it is a pretty innocuous expression that should not raise too many eyebrows or get anyone too excited.
Thanks for making my point
And more importantly
It's not something a Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Humanist, Shinto, agnostic, or atheist (etc.) would probably say or relate to.
The assumption that "we all grew up the same" is one of my biggest peeves.
Religious prepositions
My upbringing was Christian, but no one around me ever talked about praying "on" something. Difficult situations were prayed "about"; difficult people or people in difficult situations were prayed "for." Occasionally, we'd note that in certain denominations, people were said to pray "over" other people -- physically and literally -- mostly when they were sick or being baptized.
But if I'd heard "on," I would have assumed the verb was "prey" (as in, predators prey on their prey)!!
My irrelevancy for the day. Carry on.
I agree, I think it's a Southern/Evangelical thing.
Unthinkable Sundays for Eric
Eric says
In fact, a Sunday makeup class is not even an option legally for the school board, as one of the Legislative Commandments (of which there are more than 613* ) says simply "School shall not be held on Sundays." The statute perhaps should have been phrased "THERE SHALL NOT BE class on Sunday" and it could have been on a short list of 10**.
http://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_115c/gs_115c-84.2.html
* the number of Mitzvahs
** I refuse to footnote this one
Snark not intended!
tell you the truth
Well, tell you the truth, I saw lots of people there, although I do not know (or recall) all of their names. The folks I mentioned above were the folks that I 1) remembered the names of and 2) thought gave some of the flavor of the moment. Of course I saw Delores Bailey, for example, but she was the only local non-profit director I saw so I didn't partcularly mention it, whereas there were lots of folks such as Tony Waldrop from South Building.
In fact the crowd was definitely a mix of males and females. I don't recall that there were a lot of people of color, although people of color were definitely a discernable presence.
The event was open to the public and free. I received the same mass emailing that many OP readers probably did. I think all students faculty and staff got that email (my grad student wife did). And also, notably, the email did mention that staff were expressly encouraged to come as a part of their hours working for the State of North Carolina.
So, I don't know. It was a last minute event and I think the crowd had a certain level of diversity. But I do realize that the crowd was not exactly Ruby's point.
Great picture
I hope this link stays active for a while, it can't help but make you smile.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1065947.html
In case there's any confusion, go to slide 10.
Linda C
interesting...
Chancellor-Elect Thorp is relatively young. And he's not coming from a traditional background you'd expect--as in, a high up admin with years of experience at another school.
None of these is a criticism. On the contrary, it's great that UNC is finding leaders from within the university family.
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I guess what I am saying is that there is a tendency in the modern search process to exclude insiders, which is just as dumb as excluding outsiders.
How many UNC PhD's end up having to leave this area because UNC doesn't like to hire its own as faculty? A lot, from what my friends tell me.
The selection of Dean Thorp as our next Chancellor does seem to prove that UNC is not rejecting homegrown talent just because it is homegrown. That's a good thing.
Agreed.
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Frankly I did not
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Clarifying
As I said above, none of my criticism is of the new chancellor but of the dominant culture of the UNC administration. When I was student, our chancellor showed that he was not listening to the voices of students of color as much as white students. I want to make sure no student ever feels their concerns are less important becasue they don't look enough like the chancellor of UNC.
Chancellor Thorp certainly seems to be a step in the right direction. I have found many cultural biases are so ingrained that only a new generation can truly change the culture. I have high hopes for his administration in terms of longevity, transparency, and diversity.
I still think that in this day and age, the University should be making more than token gestures at inclusion to show the entire student body and the entire state of North Carolina that it's our school too.
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Not for long
I'm glad Ruby persuaded you.
George, it was your request that someone "enlighten" you about "whether non-Christians pray", so that you would not "go through life ill-informed," that had the tone of snark to it. I'm glad it's not what you intended.
And I'm glad that Ruby's points about Buddhists, etc., persuaded you, even if my points did not.
Clarification
Eric,
Just to be clear, I wasn't asking to be enlightened about "whether non-Christians pray" as I assume that many, maybe even most, do. I was basically asking how many people, at some time or another, don't pray. My asumption was that the number would be low and that the expression "let's pray on it" would not be particular obnoxious although it might seem odd. It would to me but I probably wouldn't give it a second thought.
Chiming in on the Christian thing
"Praying for" someone
I too have learned to appreciate it when people tell me they are "praying for" me or for one of my relatives ... but it has taken a good deal of effort, and I still instinctively shudder a little when people say it to me.
Why? Because at times, when people have told me that they're "praying for" me (not, obviously, in the context where I or my family is sick), what they have meant is that they are praying to Christ for my redemption. That is a rather more chilling (to me) connotation of "praying for you" -- and quite a common one -- and it has been very hard for me to get over that.
(There may be some (I don't mean you, Catherine) who are reading this and viewing my reactions as hypersensitive, overblown, not worthy of accommodation. Perhaps if the issue were recast as the seemingly invisible dominance of white Anglo culture making people of color feel ill at ease, my points might be more easily appreciated.)
Over 40 years ago, I had a
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religious lesson of the day
Devout Muslims do pray, five times a day. But here I am in Egypt, surrounded by Muslims, many of whom are devout and pray five times a day in very visible places (like at the library where I work, in the lobby of my building, etc)... but never have I heard one say they'd "pray on it" or pray for me.
The equivalent expression for Muslims would be "Inshallah," meaning God-willing. So, if you said, it'd be nice if we someday had a chancellor of color, you'd hear in response "Inshallah."
I suspect if someone had been told "Inshallah" in Gerard Hall, in regards to a BOT decision, we wouldn't be sitting around going "But many religions believe in God! It's not just Islam!"
Prayer does not need defending
Catherine, prayer is not under attack here, so it needs no defense. Indeed, nothing is under attack. I simply noted a particular usage of speech that's common in this area as an illustration of the sort of subtle isolation that non-Christians can experience, which was my own extension of Linda C's point.
It's a usage of speech in conversation, and not prayer itself, that I was commenting on.
preying on my patience
I am afraid this subject is preying on my patience. So I pray take my leave of prayer for now and pray for judgment continued.
As soon as I heard the annoucement ...
As soon as I heard the annoucement on WUNC, I knew there'd be flack cause the new chancellor is not of someone else's favorite population niche. Ya know, Dr. Thorp can't help it that he's 1) male and 2) white. Would Dr. Condoleezza Rice have been a more pleasing selection to some? I know, I know, she'd rather be Commissioner of the National Football League.
Course, hiring based on on sex and ethinicity is illegal. Discriminating against Dookies is allowable, though Paul Hardin overcame that hurdle.
Lastly, when my UNC academic counselor, Dean Rosalind Fuse-Hall, became UNC Secretary, I had no doubt that she was qualified. She just happens to be black.
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